sorry, darkspilver I wasn't trying to argue with you. I was trying to agree with you. You're absolutely right from an internal investigation it should have been handled differently. You brought up what if they are acquitted and highlighted another thread on here. You don't have to look at another thread. Look at this case the man was found not guilty when he first molested someone. He should have been DF then but by law, he wasn't a molester he was accused and found to not have happened.
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UK Charity Commision reports on Moston, Manchester Congregation.
by snugglebunny inhttps://www.gov.uk/government/news/investigation-leads-to-improvements-in-safeguarding-at-jehovahs-witnesses-charity.
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UK Charity Commision reports on Moston, Manchester Congregation.
by snugglebunny inhttps://www.gov.uk/government/news/investigation-leads-to-improvements-in-safeguarding-at-jehovahs-witnesses-charity.
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John Davis
darkspilver also in the report it showed that DFing is the only mechanism that JWs have an internal procedure to remove the member. Their criticism wasn't that the congregation investigated it but that there were serious flaws during the investigation and punishment including during the appeal committee.
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IICSA investigations
by Phoebe inhaving just watched john cedars latest youtube video i am appalled that jws do not make up part of the investigation into institutions that have failed to protect children from sexual abuse.. i have emailed and begged them to reevaluate their decision.. if anyone else wants to do so, this is the email i used, i don't know if it's the right one, it's on their website.. [email protected].
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John Davis
It is interesting that this inquiry appears to be in conjunction with the 4 other three inquires of the other commonwealths of the crown that have occurred. Of the 5 inquiries the only one that had anything to do with Watchtower is Australia. Northern Ireland, Jersey or Scottland and now England have no inquiry into Watchtower.
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Dutch petition for investigation into child abuse cases
by jochie inplease read.
last weekend, trouw, a dutch newspaper, published several articles on sexual abuse within the jehovah's witnesses organization.
this church organization attempts to resolve abuse internally without going to the police or courts.. so therefore i made this petition to ask the dutch parliament to start an investigation.
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John Davis
It is extremely noble for you to start this petition. Something must be done to help protect children. I just have a problem with your point #1. First of all, it is very vague, what do you mean that "The religious freedom of individuals is respected." This is extremely overly broad and could mean anything.
I think you are meaning that you want them to investigate Disfellowshipping and Shunning. This practice is not a good policy at all but I hate when people connect the abuse of children with that of disfellowshipping when they try to have a petition or try to communicate with governmental officials. Child abuse is breaking the law, shunning is not against the law. These need to be separate items and not try to connect the two. While yes Angus Stewart connected the emotional strain of shunning with child abuse he did not connect the whole practice of shunning with it, he narrowed it to only that of shunning those who have been victims of child abuse.
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Blood Transfusions/Blood Salvage
by NJ501 inhi all,i've been doing some research on blood transfusions and fractions.
i found out a patient can donate their own blood, so it can be used for elective surgery...i was wondering if theirs really any difference between a blood transfusion of your own blood and the blood salvage procedure.
i think quite similar since its just a re-transfusion of your own blood.. what are your thoughts?
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John Davis
According to Watchtower Doctrine storing one's blood is not acceptable but cell salvage is. It is because cell salvage is considered as a closed circuit and the blood doesn't officially leave the body flow, per Watchtower view. It is believed that if you store the blood than it has left the circulation of the body. That is the official understanding per them. Other people can express their views and opinions on this.
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UK Charity Commision reports on Moston, Manchester Congregation.
by snugglebunny inhttps://www.gov.uk/government/news/investigation-leads-to-improvements-in-safeguarding-at-jehovahs-witnesses-charity.
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John Davis
It is interesting, and hopefully the British Branch inquiry they will be forced to make a change, but it is interesting that the Commission did not have a problem with the requirement that the trustees contact the legal department first. They should call the police first so hopefully, that will change.
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Magistrate says Jehovah's Witnesses are complicit because they failed to report to authorities
by jw news 2017 in"former jehovah's witness jailed for historical sex offences against young sisters... .
sentencing magistrate bernadette boss noted it was "most unfortunate" that once again a church had failed to notify the authorities about an allegation of sexual abuse.. that made the church complicit in the matters and "appears to have exacerbated the effect on the victims of the offence," dr boss said...".
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Steve2 I know that you are using that as a derogatory statement towards me. But show me in the original links of this post where the word complicit appears. It doesn't appear. I said that it does appear in the ABC link but not in the original link. So many people argue that word choice is so important and will nit pick over every word in an article that Watchtower puts out but if I say what I said then oh well word selection doesn't matter only the intent of what is being said.
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For Christians: What do you think about an Armagedon and the Afterlife
by John Davis ini don't mean for anyone to get into argument over this, i just want to hear what people believe.i hope that no one will mock or argue with someone else about their beliefs, i know that i won't in this topic.. i still believe in a christian god, not what jws believe, but believe that there has to be something after this life.
i am not sure about how armageddon would go, would it be like how evangelicals believe with a rapture or timing or anything, though i still believe in a form of armageddon.
i do think that all good people will go to heaven but i don't believe in a hell.
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I am sorry that is true. I meant that really only the Abrahamic faith's belief in an armageddon and an afterlife of like heaven for the most part. If you have a faith that is not one of the Abrahamic faith's but still believe in a type of Armageddon or heaven please share. -
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For Christians: What do you think about an Armagedon and the Afterlife
by John Davis ini don't mean for anyone to get into argument over this, i just want to hear what people believe.i hope that no one will mock or argue with someone else about their beliefs, i know that i won't in this topic.. i still believe in a christian god, not what jws believe, but believe that there has to be something after this life.
i am not sure about how armageddon would go, would it be like how evangelicals believe with a rapture or timing or anything, though i still believe in a form of armageddon.
i do think that all good people will go to heaven but i don't believe in a hell.
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I don't mean for anyone to get into argument over this, I just want to hear what people believe.I hope that no one will mock or argue with someone else about their beliefs, I know that I won't in this topic.
I still believe in a Christian God, not what JWs believe, but believe that there has to be something after this life. I am not sure about how Armageddon would go, would it be like how evangelicals believe with a rapture or timing or anything, though I still believe in a form of Armageddon. I do think that all good people will go to heaven but I don't believe in a hell. I don't think that God won't intervene in some way in human's problems, or at least I hope not. I think that at least in the places where Abrahamic faiths are the most common, people may not be religious, as in not going to church because they have problems with religion in general but they still believe in a God and an afterlife in some form.
I don't really want to hear from people who don't believe in any form of the afterlife just want to hear from people who believe in a form of the afterlife from an Abrahamic Faith's teachings.
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Magistrate says Jehovah's Witnesses are complicit because they failed to report to authorities
by jw news 2017 in"former jehovah's witness jailed for historical sex offences against young sisters... .
sentencing magistrate bernadette boss noted it was "most unfortunate" that once again a church had failed to notify the authorities about an allegation of sexual abuse.. that made the church complicit in the matters and "appears to have exacerbated the effect on the victims of the offence," dr boss said...".
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I am not debating whether they were complicit or not just the original links in ur original post the word complicit doesn't appear. It does appear in the ABC link u provided but not in the original it uses the exhasurbated.